I love talking about body signs, so was super excited when I had the privilege to be a guest expert on a podcast episode called Intuitive Health Channel (IHC) hosted by Damian Brown.
Damian is a Naturopath and Kinesiologist with a focus on evidence-based practice and the art of healing. He has been studying, practicing, and teaching natural medicine for more than fifteen years now.
In the podcast episode, we discussed basic yet helpful tool which anyone can use, which is looking at body signs to identify health related problems, vitamin and nutritional deficiencies.
The signs and symptoms vary in the different parts of the body, but are most commonly found in the face, hair, tongue, nails and skin. Diseases or specific nutrient deficiency can be identified from these parts depending on the irregularities.
Let us start with the fingertips and nails. The softness of your fingertips help to determine the efficacy of your protein absorption. The same is true with the nails by checking its ridges, ridges can also indicate bacterial overgrowth, especially when found on the thumb nails. If nails are brittle, then we are now considering the ability of your body to absorb calcium, this could be a low vitamin D sign.
Another body area that we should check is the face. In my case, I check my patient’s eyes first and see how bright, healthy, wide or sunken they are. How healthy the eyes are determines the health of the kidneys, liver, gallbladder and thyroid. Other areas of the face to check are the lips, eyebrows, skin transparency, wrinkles, pore size, blackheads and acnes. Dry lips for example can indicate bacteria overgrowth, and in some cases low progesterone. If you want to learn more about balancing hormones check out my blog “10 steps to healthy happy hormones”
Another interesting area of the body to check out is the scalp and hair. I observed that as I age, my hair also gets curlier it can be due low vitamin C, and also low protein. Since adding more fat and protein to my diet I have witnessed my hair getting straighter. Hair is very well connected to thyroid function. And when there is hair loss, dry or coarse hair, certain hormones are either low or high being secreted by the thyroid.
We also talked about food tolerances. Certain foods, like dairy, can aggravate some illnesses, allergies and sensitivities in the body. We also talked about the option to take supplementation. I suggested that nutrient deficiency should first be addressed by taking the right foods rich in essential vitamins and minerals. If all else fails, then I consider recommending taking supplements.
Those are just some of the great points that you can hear and learn from the podcast. You can listen to the whole podcast episode, click HERE. You can also check out other insights and learn more from Damian Brown’s podcast by going into this website: www.intuitivehealthchannel.com. The podcast contains other expert interviews from different fields of health and wellness.
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Transcript Below
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Damian Brown: Good day and welcome to the Intuitive Health Channel. I’m your host Damian Brown. Now if you’ve ever wondered what certain body signs might say about your health and well-being, things like brittle nails or white tongue, thinning hair or dark circles under your eyes, today’s show is going to explore just that and with me on the line to delve a little deeper into this topic is naturopath and nutritionist Naomi Judge. So welcome to the show Naomi.
Naomi Judge: Hi Damian. Hi there. Thanks for having me on here on the Intuitive Health Channel. Really good to be here.
Damian Brown: No worries. It’s a pleasure to have you on. So let’s get started and I would love it if you could share with our listeners a little bit more about yourself and the wonderful stuff you do as a naturopath.
Naomi Judge: Well, I’m a naturopath and nutritionist and I’ve been working for around eight, nine years with my clients and through that time, I’ve seen some patterns. I’ve seen some body signs. I’ve seen patterns that come in. I see clients coming to my clinic everyday and a lot of them display certain signs, whether it’s wrinkles, whether it’s dry skin, whether it’s premature greying, balding.
In that time, I’ve just become fascinated with it because even though it’s not a diagnostic tool, I can use it to create a nice clinical picture for my clients and then what I can do is if I do testing like blood work or saliva work, it actually then can confirm what these patterns that I’ve seen in my clients that have come in. So I just find it fascinating and I’m passionate about it.
Damian Brown: Yeah, it’s fantastic. So when you first suggested that we do this topic as a podcast, that the first thing that came to mind for me was also being a naturopath and some of the interesting conversations we have with people. So that general chit and chat stuff like what do you do for a living. I say I’m a naturopath and then usually they follow by showing me one of their body parts and saying, “I’ve got this rash on my arm,” or “I’ve got this rash around my fingers,” “I keep getting these mouth ulcers. What do you think it might be?”
So I think that today’s topic is going to be great because it’s going to be very informative for a lot of people and I think it’s also going to be helpful. So we don’t have to pull out those party tricks for our normal conversations as naturopaths.
So let’s get into it and I think – let’s start with some of those common signs and symptoms you were talking about that you see in your clinical practice and some of the things that people can do to get started on healing their bodies.
Naomi Judge: Well, first of all, it’s quite interesting that you just mentioned that about people. Friends and family notice things. One of the things that I found quite interesting through the time that I’ve been doing this is that we go out of our way to actually hide these signs, such as we will get Botox or fillers to hide lines. We will dye our hair to hide the grey. We will even get our teeth whitened to disguise the fact that our teeth are porous and are absorbing stains.
We get our nails manicured to hide the fact that they’re ridged or they’re broken and so we’re kind of hiding this instead of actually investigating what do these signs mean. These signs can potentially – I mean in some people, they may be genetic. But in other people, they can actually be – they can show that there’s a chronic illness going on.
So as we’re kind of layering on top of these signs and hiding them, we’re disguising really what’s happening underneath. But back to your question, what are the most common signs that I see?
Well, the first one that really interests me and that’s because I had it myself is actually what we call chicken skin on the backs of our arms. You know, kind of keratosis pilaris, chicken skin.
When I was studying a long time ago, all the nutritionists and naturopaths used to tell me it’s essential fatty acids. It’s essential fatty acids. I was determined that it wasn’t that. I had clients taking heaps of essential fatty acids, doing everything they could for it and I was really determined that it actually meant something else.
So I started studying many of my clients and in fact myself as to when it occurred and when it was worst. I found it was cyclic. It was worse when the oestrogen was higher and the progesterone was lower.
So in treating clients, treating clients in terms of low progesterone, I found that that has really alleviated that one major problem that so many clients come in with.
Other issues, grey hair, premature greying. I mean before 35, if we’re getting gray hair, that does indicate that there is an issue whether that’s adrenal fatigue, whether that’s low growth hormone, whether it’s not absorbing protein, whether it’s not absorbing B vitamins or amino acids. So there is something going on there that needs to be addressed.
Other signs of premature aging in the face, wrinkles. You know, we get the nice laughter lines around our eyes and around our mouths but there are certain ways that they can come out on our face especially around the mouth. If you see quite indented lines that are very, very dry especially in people under 40 or 35, it can really indicate there’s something going on not only with mineral stages but maybe there’s something going on internally in the bowel. So maybe they need a bowel cleanse. Maybe they’re not absorbing nutrients down there or maybe they’ve just got a bacterial overgrowth.
But those are some of the main signs that I see as well as a plethora of other signs. It’s fascinating honestly when you see the patterns emerge, when you see the people come through my clinic and what’s going on with them.
Damian Brown: Yeah, absolutely. So we’re not just talking about sort of food and lifestyle and supplements. We’re also talking about there might be the need for some testing to be done as well.
Naomi Judge: Definitely. And hormones or something that I’m also fascinated with and I see so many signs that can indicate imbalance in hormones and in many of my clients, I actually do a lot of hormonal testing and some of the signs I see – for instance, in a guy, if a guy was to walk into my clinic and he had premature balding, coupled with maybe weight gain on the hips, thighs and maybe around the abdomen, coupled with what we call the chicken skin, OK, coupled with maybe a low libido, the first thing – as well as asking the questions that one of the things I’m thinking of is OK, I’ve got a gentleman here who may have low progesterone, may have very high oestrone which is as you know the negative oestrogen that we get in the environment.
Maybe his testosterone is not converting properly. So we’ve got some methylation issues in the liver which is not converting the hormones in the correct manner. So that would really confirm my suspicions and then I would do further testing to actually validate what I had seen in clinic in looking at his body signs.
Damian Brown: Again looking at that big picture of people looking at like saliva testing, blood work or all of that.
Naomi Judge: Exactly. Yeah, doing that whole thing, so looking at the blood work, doing the saliva testing, maybe doing some other testing, doing – looking at the body analysis. I mean when a client first comes in to me, I will chat to them. I will have a look at their face. I will have a look at their features. I will have a look at their skin and then I actually do iridology.
Now I do love doing iridology and one of the reasons I love doing iridology is because I pull my chair around the side of my desk and I get really close to the clients with a magnifying glass.
Kind of looking into their eyes but I’m also looking everywhere else. I’m looking to see if they’ve got open pores. I’m looking to see how their teeth are structured. If someone has got wonky teeth or if someone has got a small jaw, it can also indicate some gene anomalies.
I’m also looking at the face, at the skin. Have they got any dandruff? So that’s one of my little tricks that I do to get nice and close and personal with them.
Damian Brown: Yeah, absolutely. It sounds great. I think I’m going to have to fly up and book in for a session.
So why don’t we start with a body part? I will do – why don’t we start with the hands and nails? You mentioned that before about the things we do in the name of vanity and not that I have perfectly manicured hands but …
Naomi Judge: You get manicured?
Damian Brown: No, sorry, no. I don’t even use moisturizer. So let’s start with the hands and nails. So tell us what can we learn from looking at our own hands and nails?
Naomi Judge: Well, first off, just have a look at the tone of them. So just have a little feel and palpate your hands and palpate your fingertips. Are they nice and firm and like a cushion? When you press on them, do they pop back out to a nice sort of round shape? Are they squidgy when you press them? Do they kind of stay there and are they very soft?
Now if that’s the case, we’re looking at malabsorption. We’re looking at maybe there’s something going on in the stomach. Maybe there’s not enough acid to absorb the protein.
Another protein deficiency sign which people can do on their selves is to actually clench your hand into a fist and just look in between your knuckles.
Are they indented? Are they nice? Are the muscles there nice and firm? Are they quite indented? Now in elderly people, over 80, 85, those indents will occur because of maybe malabsorption of protein. But if we’re under that age, if we’re under 50, we really should have nice structured hands just there, no indents. If there’s an indent, then again that’s indicating that there is a little bit of protein malabsorption.
A lot of pregnant women get that during pregnancy because – and also during breastfeeding because they’re giving so much nutrients to the newborn.
Another thing we can look at are the nails. Are they nice and smooth? Are there any indents? Are there any ridges? Now if there are ridges in them, again, we can be looking at a few things. We can be looking at malabsorption. I’ve got a few clients actually that I’ve just advised to take apple cider vinegar in the morning and one of the things they noticed after taking apple cider vinegar was their nails completely improved. Their nails got firmer. Their nails got smoother and the ridges went.
Another thing you can look at is are there actually just little indents in the nails? What they can show is that can actually be a little bit of a timeline. So did you go through a stressful period that maybe you weren’t absorbing nutrients? Maybe your diet wasn’t quite right.
Next we can look at actually, you know, are they firm? Are they brittle? Do they break? Do they flake? So we can be looking at calcium issues. Maybe we need to get further testing. Maybe your thyroid is a little underactive and so showing the nails to be a little bit of flimsy.
Then the next thing was just heat. Are the hands clammy? Are they warm? Are they too hot? Again, we could be looking at the nervous system. We could be looking at maybe further testing, maybe further testing for thyroid, maybe even further testing to get the iron studies done.
So those are the main things that I look at.
Damian Brown: Fantastic. I definitely myself when I’m eating a lot of protein, my nails grow really, really fast.
Naomi Judge: Yes, yeah, interesting.
Damian Brown: I’m not worrying about balding yet. So I think I’m OK there. But I definitely notice that when I am on – consciously eating a lot more protein, my nails are a lot thicker and they do grow a lot faster.
Naomi Judge: Yeah, and it happens quite quickly. People can notice changes quite quickly. Nails really do indicate how the rest of your body is functioning and the health and how you’re absorbing nutrients. Is your diet right for you?
Damian Brown: Yeah, I think that timeline, that’s the great. I never thought about that, looking at the nails like a timeline. It could be a new fortune telling. They will give away palm reading and go to nail.
Naomi Judge: It’s nail reading.
Damian Brown: Nail reading. Well then let’s move – again let’s talk about the – we were talking about vanity before and onto the face. So the face obviously is – there’s a lot going on there. So what can you tell us? What can we look at when we look at the mirror in the morning?
Naomi Judge: Well, so much going on. I don’t know about you Damian. I don’t know whether you use any kind of Chinese philosophy in your work that you’re doing. But I know I use a little bit.
The Chinese – in TCM, they actually have sort of a bit of a face mapping going on. I use a little bit of that and I love using that because it gives me an idea of what else is going on in the person’s body. But the things I will be looking at, when I look at a person straight away, the first thing I would be looking at actually is eyes. Go to eyes.
Are the eyes wide? Are they bright? Do they look healthy? Are they sunken? Do they have large bags under their eyes? Actually I do get clients who come to me and they have those bags under their eyes and sometimes they say it’s hereditary and of course things are hereditary. But as you know, we can change that. We can’t change our genes per se but we can kind of change the way our body is reacting to things and how things express.
So when we’re looking around the eyes, we’re looking at that area. We’re looking at kidneys. We’re looking at how the gallbladder is functioning. If they’re puffy above the eyes, that could indicate the gallbladder is a little bit sluggish. Under the eyes, that could indicate maybe there’s hypertension. Maybe the kidneys aren’t functioning. Also we will be looking at thyroid and hormones again. Hormones, I always come back to hormones. I don’t know what it is. It just revolves back – I just think hormones govern us so much.
But if I’ve got clients that wake up in the morning and they have puffy eyes, we’re really looking at that oestrogen level. Is the negative oestrogen too high and progesterone too low? And a lot of the times that causes that.
The next thing I will look at actually is kind of the lips. What’s going on with the lips? Are they dry? Are they too red? Are they too pale? Are there any cracks? One of the things that I look at, if the lips are dry and flaky, there are a couple of things that could be going on. One is a lot of people these days actually sleep with their mouth open.
So I encourage them – what’s that?
Damian Brown: Catching flies.
Naomi Judge: Catching flies or spiders. I’m sure I’ve eaten one in my sleep before. But I encourage people – this is a bit funny. But I encourage people actually to tape their mouth up at night.
Damian Brown: Yeah, OK.
Naomi Judge: OK? Just because what it does is it actually really helps with the oxygen transfer. Getting the oxygen. But what people find is when they do that, their lips miraculously just aren’t dry anymore. There’s no need for lip balm. It doesn’t really serve a purpose because again dry lips are a sign that something else is going on.
But taping your mouth up actually stops drying out at the mouth. It creates a nice environment in the mouth and it stops the lips drying out as well. Sometimes I look at cracks in the lips. That can be B vitamins as well or low zinc. So we’re looking at low vitamin or mineral status.
Another thing I look at, actually quite looking at – see if there’s any vein structures on the face as well. Are there any open veins? Sometimes that can indicate protein, again not absorbing protein and again vein structures on the torso as well. Some people have vein structures around the neck area. That can also mean low protein absorption.
Then I will look at premature aging signs. So I look at wrinkles. Again, as I discussed earlier, wrinkles in certain areas, so around the mouth can indicate there might be something going on in the bowel, also dryness, flaking, in between the eyes. That can mean low essential fatty acids, low zinc.
Sometimes it can mean food intolerance. So we would maybe do a food intolerance test. Just see if dairy comes up because often that can mean dairy.
Again I will get nice and close and just have a look. See if they’ve got any nasty blackheads or any acne. I get that …
Damian Brown: You sound like my mum. That’s like what she used to do. She was like the investigator of your body.
Naomi Judge: What did your mum do?
Damian Brown: No, no, no. She’s a nurse but just – yeah, she was always into signs and symptoms and blackheads and things like that. But it’s interesting when you were talking about a bit of that stuff because in another podcast I’ve spoken about, I’ve got an autoimmune condition ankylosing spondylitis.
Naomi Judge: Oh, yeah. Is that Marianne Kane?
Damian Brown: Yes, yes, yes.
Naomi Judge: Fantastic, fantastic. I heard that before.
Damian Brown: We did that one together and when I was a kid, I had low B vitamins or low vitamin B and I used to get the cracked lips and the ulcers. I remember having to take these huge horse-looking [0:16:59] [Phonetic] tablets that were just the most bitter things and they were horrible. I remember taking these B vitamins that were just awful. Part of the AS is also – it’s called like iritis, like the puffy eyes and the eye inflammation. One thing I found is that probably – it has been about maybe eight to ten years now that I’ve been completely off wheat and completely off gluten.
When I went off the weight, I no longer got any mouth ulcers. I used to get mouth ulcers as a kid all the time. I used to get the dry lips, the crack inside, and the sort of almost like a cracked eyelet, sort of slit up the top where my eyes were.
I found that yeah, that made a huge difference almost overnight getting rid of that stuff that was in my diet.
Naomi Judge: That’s amazing. That’s when it works best, doesn’t it? When it happens in yourself, when you see it occur, and you see the improvement and then you can use that for your clients. It’s just such a great game to play.
Damian Brown: Oh, absolutely. Dairy is one of those foods that I know I’m better to not eat it but I think I like ice cream more than I don’t like eating actually. But I know I will wake up a bit puffy in the morning and I know it just does create a little bit of inflammation and it’s just one of those things that I’m here for a good time, maybe not a long time. So …
Naomi Judge: You’ve got to pick and choose. Pick your …
Damian Brown: Absolutely, yeah. I don’t do it all the time but I do know that the dairy and the wheat for me personally are just two foods that seems to aggravate my symptoms, and most others foods are fine. But they’re the two I find with me that I’ve got to …
Naomi Judge: Yeah, that’s interesting. I do see that a lot. I do a lot of food intolerance testing and one of the biggest things I see are obviously ulcers, like yourself. Then that kind of very dry around the mouth, very red, red and kind of inflamed around the mouth and that’s very much that kind of gluten and dairy picture.
Damian Brown: Yeah. I think “tolerance” is a good word too because a lot of people get food allergies, sensitivities and intolerances mixed up. They’re all …
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Damian Brown: With intolerance, I mean I don’t eat any wheat at all, but I’m sure I could probably handle a little bit and it’s not – I’m not celiac. So it’s not like I’m going to have horrible reaction to the gluten. But I just know that that load is best kept really low whereas dairy is probably – I can have a little bit here and there and I’m fine.
Naomi Judge: And make room for the ice cream.
Damian Brown: Yeah. I’ve done raw dairy, ultra pas. I’ve tried every type of dairy that you could imagine straight out of the cow. It doesn’t make any difference. It’s all the same. So it’s not that raw is better or pasteurized is better. For me, I seem to have the same reaction to both of them.
Naomi Judge: Yeah, that’s interesting. It’s that kind of build-up no matter. It’s having it, layering it each day, isn’t it?
Damian Brown: Yeah. I think even with AS, you find that they seem to have that ulcerative colitis type. Ankylosing spondylitis is almost like if you combine arthritis, chronic fatigue and irritable bowel syndrome together. You get …
Naomi Judge: It’s not a good picture.
Damian Brown: You get ankylosing spondylitis. It seems to be that the casein and gluten still seem to just aggravate things a bit more than probably what they should.
Naomi Judge: Isn’t it amazing the difference that you can make just by cutting those two things out?
Damian Brown: Yeah, and it probably took me – I’m 35. It probably took me 30 years to know that it was just those two things. I’ve tried so many things over the years, thinking that that’s what it was and actually it’s quite simple now. My diet, it’s really just monitor those two things and everything else is fine.
Naomi Judge: That’s great. That’s really good. Yeah.
Damian Brown: Sorry. I went a bit off track there. But …
Naomi Judge: Oh, no. It’s good to hear. I mean it’s good to hear those stories because again, like you say, that gives people that are listening – they’re getting some of those signs or just thinking – you have no idea what’s going on.
I mean cutting dairy and gluten out, it’s hard in some respect but it’s not the hardest thing. It’s actually quite an easy thing to do. If it means your health and if it means bringing down that inflammation and just having a better quality of life, it’s fantastic.
Damian Brown: Oh, absolutely. I think even when you look at the research on celiacs and gluten sensitivity. People are probably only about 50 percent compliant, even those people who think they’re on a gluten-free diet. When they’ve actually monitored and they’ve gone through and had a look at their diet, they usually still bring in lots of gluten. So that is quite a difficult thing to remove completely from your diet.
Naomi Judge: I know. I always get the couscous question. When I say have a gluten-free and I write everything down, and it’s like, “Couscous is OK, isn’t it?”
Damian Brown: Yeah. Well, the other ones I get is the Quinoa. They ask me about Quinoa. What do you think about Quinoa?
Naomi Judge: Quinoa, yeah.
Damian Brown: It’s Quinoa. But anyway – so that’s obviously one that [0:21:50] [Indiscernible] must sell a lot of now because it seems to come up a lot in conversation.
Naomi Judge: It goes out of stock. Actually it goes out of stock. Everyone is eating it.
Damian Brown: And chia seeds are the other – they’re the new super duper food, from chia. Chia seed bread seems to be the new flavour of the month.
Naomi Judge: Exactly.
Damian Brown: So, all right. Well, why don’t we go back to the face again? What about things like acne and large pores? We started talking about black heads before.
Naomi Judge: Yes. So large pores, so looking at black heads and large pores, we can – I mean obviously we’re just looking then at general – the integrity of the skin. A lot of times especially around the nose area, whether we’re looking at absorption of minerals, but we’re also looking – again it’s hydrochloric acid in the stomach. So a lot of people get confused these days at alkalinity.
Damian Brown: Yeah.
Naomi Judge: A lot of people are thinking that really the stomach acid needs to be a pH but we need a nice, strong stomach acid. We need it so strong that it’s going to protect us from parasites, from fungi, that it’s going to break down the amino acids, break down the proteins and help with all the absorption.
What the open pores and the nose can also mean is that we’re not doing that. We’re not absorbing the protein. Sometimes the open pores can be coupled with – I do like to get a mixture of body signs, things that actually should go together quite nicely. So the open pores can be coupled with a little bit of a butterfly rash sometimes, a little bit of rosacea type skin.
Again what’s that meaning is digested enzymes not absorbing effectively. When we’re looking at acne, we can be looking at a few different kinds of things. When we’re looking at acne all over the face, kind of acne that’s very red and very angry and especially scarring, with acne scarring.
What we’re looking at there is low zinc. Sometimes all the person needs is a little bit of zinc to just help heal the skin, especially whether the scars are involved.
If we’re getting acne in certain areas, down the chin, we’re looking at hormonal acne. It might not be as angry but – and it may come up cyclically. So we’re looking at balancing the hormones and just helping with the androgens, just helping with the oestrogen and their progesterone balance in the person.
Again acne on the back can often mean either infection, so if we get acne on the back, coupled with large sort of cystic acne on the face, maybe cystic acne on other areas. So they may say they get it on their thighs, on their buttocks, those kinds of areas. We’re actually looking at low zinc minerals. But also it’s an indication that there could be something going on in their body in terms of infection.
We may be looking at a staph internally, a little bit of staph going on in their body, maybe something going on in their gut. Maybe they need some antimicrobials with some zinc, a little bit of a gut cleanse. That really helps that. That really sorts that out.
But those are the main types of acne I’ve seen. But I always look – when you’ve got that scarring and other zinc signs, so you’ve got white marks on the nails with scarring and maybe white stretch marks. White stretch marks indicate low zinc to copper ratios. So we will be looking at that as well.
Damian Brown: Oh, very, very interesting because a lot of conversations I have with people, they’re often told to use high doses of vitamin A for acne, which is interesting too because they often – then people say to cut out milk and a lot of your dairy is high in vitamin A and so …
Naomi Judge: Yes. I mean vitamin – yeah, I mean a lot of people do use vitamin A and again with the dairy, I find when people cut out the dairy, you do see some improvement in the acne definitely, definitely see some improvement.
Damian Brown: What else have we got there on the face? Anything else in particular that you think we find interesting? You’ve spoken a bit about the jaw. We spoke about the eyes. What about thinning eyebrows?
Naomi Judge: Thinning eyebrows is an interesting one and a lot of times that can actually mean thyroid. We’re looking at thyroid but that’s the main thing I look at. When you look at the eyebrows, a lot of people do have hereditary thinning eyebrows. It’s funny. I do look at my eyebrows and my brother, we both have very thin eyebrows. I don’t know what it is, very thin eyebrows. But then if you go back to our parents, neither our parents have thin eyebrows but they both have thyroid issues.
So what that – that’s quite important because what that’s telling myself and what that’s telling my brother is we actually need to be careful in terms of our thyroid. We need to actually nourish that and do things that help boost our thyroid. So whether that’s yoga, walking in the sun every morning, making sure we’re absorbing tyrosine, making sure we have good iodine in the diet. Just to be careful of that.
So what the body signs can tell us is well, you can actually just help us, guide us through a healthy life, to help stop us get these conditions that maybe our parents or grandparents have before us.
Damian Brown: I think I’m OK with that one. The last time I had a haircut, my hairdresser asked if she could thin out my eyebrows. Maybe I should take that as a compliment.
Naomi Judge: Well, funnily enough, eyebrows – another funny thing about eyebrows, what I’ve seen as a pattern, and this is in women. It’s all about patterns and again Damian, these aren’t diagnostic tools. So I hate someone to look at their face and go, “I’ve got that, that and that.”
It’s really where I’ve seen clients come in and I’ve seen the same thing and I’ve tested and they’ve got the same thing. A lot of the times when I have women that come in and they have really good eyebrows, really dark hairs, really nice sculptured eyebrows but the hairs are nice and dark and beautiful eyebrows.
I often find that they also have a picture for PCOS. There’s also that picture as well. When you test their hormones, their hormones are a little bit outbalanced in that respect and they’ve got a little bit more testosterone in their salvia.
Damian Brown: That’s what I was going to say. It was a bit more masculine.
Naomi Judge: But their eyebrows are always lovely and when I’m looking at them, they’ve got nice eyebrows and then I just put that into my memory bank. I just put OK, I’ve seen that. Let’s see what else I can find and what we can test for it, because it may indicate that.
Damian Brown: Yeah. I was actually reading a research paper the other day where they were talking about women who had had liposuction from like the gluteofemoral area. So they had had that thigh fat taken out. What it did, it actually changed the fat distribution profile. So they started to store more fat in their abdominal area after the liposuction which actually then set them up for a pattern that was more PCOS type.
So yeah, just what you were talking about then with that masculinity and showing that liposuction of the legs actually changes the …
Naomi Judge: That’s so interesting.
Damian Brown: … profile as well.
Naomi Judge: Really interesting.
Damian Brown: So sometimes if we try and change things for vanity, it may not be for the best either.
Naomi Judge: Well, exactly. Get out there and get walking.
Damian Brown: Absolutely. Let’s move on to the scalp and hair. What can you tell us about our hair?
Naomi Judge: Well, hair, actually I was reading this morning. I was reading in the paper this morning that – in New South Wales – I’m in Sydney as you know Damian and it was saying – what were they saying in the paper? They were saying that about 90 percent of the female population put a huge emphasis on hair in New South Wales. It’s one of the most important things and that’s how people perceive beauty here in New South Wales.
It’s all about the hair. Some women take hours to get ready. One woman was saying she takes about literally a day out of the week to do her hair. In the paper, she was interviewed and she won’t even go out if she hasn’t done her hair. She actually won’t go for coffee dates if she hasn’t done her hair, if it’s dirty. So hair is important.
But what we’re looking for in the hair is any changes and a lot of people, their hair, they might find their hair getting dried up or starting to tangle or going curlier. I know my hair has been going curlier as I’m getting older. I have no idea what’s going on.
Damian Brown: Because you don’t eat your crusts anymore.
Naomi Judge: I think that’s – yeah. Well, the thing is, I mean vitamin C, a sign of vitamin C, a low vitamin C, can be your hair going curly.
Damian Brown: Yeah, OK.
Naomi Judge: It’s quite interesting. So this is a pattern I put together and you know that our adrenal glands utilize the vitamin C.
Damian Brown: Yeah.
Naomi Judge: So this is what I’m thinking. I’m thinking stress, using the vitamin C. We get depleted in the vitamin C and then our hair goes curly. I’m just wondering that.
Damian Brown: So if you think if we all spend two weeks on a deserted island in Fiji, women wouldn’t need hair straighteners anymore.
Naomi Judge: Exactly. You save that money. No more GHDs for women.
Damian Brown: There you go. There’s your next retreat. So you can do hair straightening routines and …
Naomi Judge: Oh, OK. I’m going to write that down. You gave me a good idea there.
Damian Brown: And they can learn nail timeline reading while they’re there.
Naomi Judge: I love it! I love it! Yeah.
Damian Brown: Perfect new getaway. It’s original tool. No one has taken that idea.
Naomi Judge: That’s what it’s all about, original ideas. But other things, the hair. Thyroid is very connected to the hair. If I get clients where they’re like, “My hair is just really knotty. I can’t brush it up. I’ve got a lot of knots in my hair.” You’re looking at thyroid. You’re wanting to look at thyroid function.
When you’re looking at hair loss, hair loss can actually be a multitude of things. It can actually be quite hard to find the cause. But once you’ve done testing the cause, you can find the cause whether it’s hormones. So if a female has a high negative oestrogen to low progesterone, low positive oestrogen, then we’re looking at they might get hair loss. Also with the thyroid, they might get a little bit of hair loss and dry hair. Dry, coarse hair, they lose the shine. They lose the shine in their hair. Very much stress, adrenal-related, and thyroid-related.
So we will again do extra testing, maybe the saliva testing, maybe the full thyroid testing, test those antibodies, test the reverse T3, test all of that and see what’s going on.
But the usual things with hair I always say, look at your essential fatty acids. Look at your B6. Look at your zinc. Take those minerals and make sure you’re absorbing them. Take some apple cider vinegar and just get your body absorbing those minerals and then just reassess the hair. See what it’s doing. See if you’ve still got issues with it.
Damian Brown: We’ve spoken a bit about like essential fatty acids, B vitamins, zinc. Do you prefer that people get them through supplementation, through food or a bit of both? What are your thoughts there as far as takeaways for people on all this stuff?
Naomi Judge: It really – look, it’s on an individual basis. What I prefer, the first thing I do, I will always make sure that they’re getting the most – that their bodies are working with them, not against them, so their metabolism, their digestion, everything is working with them.
So they will be having a good diet. I will be putting them on a nice, healthy diet, making sure that they’ve got an array of different things in their diet from lots of seafood to fish to good quality meat, to lots and lots of green, leafy vegetables.
I will be wanting them to absorb. So maybe I will be getting them to put a little bit of apple cider vinegar on their veg. Maybe I will be getting them to take a digestive enzyme or hydrochloric acid supplement, just to absorb those nutrients.
Then we reassess. If they’ve got strong signs that they need some supplements or if they’ve got issues going on where they’re actually not methylating properly, their body is not working for them effectively, then we will supplement a little bit.
But I prefer to focus on let’s start absorbing the nutrients in your diet first and then move to the next phase of the treatment plan.
Damian Brown: Look, I’m big on that too, that there’s so much good nutrition and lifestyle stuff that we can do before jumping straight to the hormone creams or the medications or the replacement therapy. There’s a lot that we can do ourselves that have profound effects. All of these lifestyle modulators are – they’re really great for our health.
Naomi Judge: Exactly, and it’s more about wellness. It’s more about ongoing care. So what I prefer is to actually really guide my clients through working for themselves. We’ve all got the same amount of time. We’ve all got 24 hours in the day. No one has got any more. No one has got any less. That’s what we’ve got.
So it’s about them learning. As you’ve got clients that work really hard, they may be CEOs. They say they haven’t got any time or you’ve got mums or people that are really time-poor, but there’s still those 24 hours. So I like to guide my clients and get them to really work on their lifestyle first. Work on their diet first. Get that really core foundation in place, whether it’s getting up a little earlier to meditate, maybe doing a little bit of oil pulling in the mouth to really get rid of toxicity, maybe doing some yoga in the evening.
Get that core foundation in place and then if they need it, then start adding things. It’s really, really important. People need to do it for themselves and really feel proud that they’ve worked on those areas themselves before they start taking supplements because the thing with supplements is people buy them. They go to the chemist. They buy them. They take them for two weeks and then they go in the cupboard. Then you know the story. Open up their cupboard and they’ve got hundreds of dollars worth of supplements in there that they haven’t even really started on. So it can be a little bit of a waste.
Damian Brown: Tell me a little bit more – I’m getting excited. Tell me a little bit more about oil pulling. I’ve had a couple of people recently say, “Oh, do you do oil pulling? Are you into oil pulling?” I’m thinking, “What’s this oil pulling?” So I had a bit of a read up about it. But what’s your experience? Tell us a little bit about oil pulling things. You mentioned it.
Naomi Judge: Hey, look, I love it because it’s something – I’m really into – I’m a little bit obsessive about my morning routine and I really push this on to my clients. I think the morning sets you up for the day. It sets you up for life. What you do in the morning, it really mirrors what you’re going to be doing for the rest of the day.
So I really implore my clients to get a nice morning routine and I love getting up now. I love popping on my headphones and listening to Holosync meditation, which is amazing, absolutely fantastic.
I mean afterwards, I do a little bit of – I do some oil pulling. I don’t do it for long. I use kind of an organic sesame seed oil or you can us coconut oil. It really helps because it’s oil. It actually helps to pull the toxins out of the gum area, out of the back of the throat and you can actually feel – your mouth feels so clean and you actually feel it’s kind of cleaning your sinuses out as well. It’s fantastic. I love it. I absolutely love it.
Damian Brown: Your morning sounds good. Mine is three kids getting up, getting ready for school. It’s more like [0:37:17] [Indiscernible]. Yeah, there’s no Deepak Chopra playing in the background or there’s – we’re not setting ourselves up for the day of like thank God, that’s over.
Naomi Judge: You seem to be doing OK.
Damian Brown: That was fine. I would have three more kids if we could but I don’t think we will. There’s no room for them in the car or to sleep or to do anything.
Naomi Judge: Oh, you need a mini van.
Damian Brown: Yeah, we’re not doing that. What are the Americans – the soccer mom van?
Naomi Judge: That’s it. Get one of those.
Damian Brown: Yeah. No, no.
Naomi Judge: Get one of those.
Damian Brown: So I think we’ve covered the scalp and hair there. What about the tongue? So you’re talking about TCM principles before and so that they use the tongue a lot for their observation and diagnosis.
Naomi Judge: They do. They use the tongue, the pulse in certain areas but the tongue – yeah, they use a lot of – I mean they look a lot at the coloration from that heat coming from the liver, heat coming from the heart, to the back, the spleen area.
I’ve seen a lot of different things when I look at the tongue. Sometimes it depends what people have done as well. People are very coy when it comes to the tongue and the tongue is the only thing – when I ask people to stick the tongue out, they’re like, “Oh, do I have to?” They will have a sip of water and rinse them out there and they’re really shy, really shy about it.
I don’t know. I think it’s kind of like – it’s a bit maybe invasive. I don’t know. But people get very shy. But the biggest sign I’m seeing on the tongue is a very white tongue, a very white coating. Sometimes it can be they’ve just had a few cups of coffee in the morning.
But a lot of times we’re looking at the bacteria actually coming up from the digestive track. So I look at that. I will look at the whiteness. I will look at the coating. If it’s just a pale tongue, we’re looking at electrolytes. So we’re looking at potassium. We’re looking at sodium. We’re looking at magnesium, getting a few more electrolytes into the body and I mean – and that’s quite a common thing because people are drinking so much water. Water is essentially – if it’s the wrong type of water, it’s just going straight through them and it’s depleting them of their essential electrolytes.
So I think it’s really important for people to start either thinking about the water they’re drinking and their electrolytes in it or decreasing the amount of water, if they’re going into three or four litres a day which some people are.
So I look at the coloration. If it’s too red, we’re looking at that – what the Chinese call the fire, fire in their body, fire coming from the spleen, fire coming from the liver.
So we’re looking at calming all of that down. Sometimes I look to see a geographic tongue. A geographic tongue can actually – can help show a couple of different things. Sometimes we’re looking at the gluten intolerance. Other times we’re looking at B vitamins and I actually see geographic tongue a lot when people have got certain gene issues and they can’t what we call change, convert B vitamins. So we’re looking at requiring the active forms of B6 or B12.
The geographic tongue is exactly what it says. It kind of looks like a map. You have the patches of white, patches of red, and that kind of moves around depending on how healthy they are at the time. So I look at that, and also bumps, lots of little white bumps.
Some people have white bumps on the tongue. I see that a lot and it hasn’t actually – I don’t know. Do you see it much Damian, the white bumps?
Damian Brown: Not really. You’re talking about the back corners of the tongue?
Naomi Judge: The front of the tongue. I see that a lot really. Yeah, and I see it a lot in different people and it hasn’t really shown a pattern for me. But if we’re looking at minerals, sometimes it can actually be metabolism of calcium, not enough calcium phosphate and calcium actually absorbing.
So we might look at cofactors like vitamin D or are they getting magnesium. Coupled with the red bumps, I also see quite red lips. Again that can mean – maybe there’s an issue with calcium metabolism. Maybe the parathyroid needs a little helping hand, that kind of thing.
I also look at the sign, sort of the scalloped tongue as well. So those are the indents around the edge of the tongue which a lot of people have. That can mean the tongue is a little bit swollen due to water balance in the body, due to the liver. Sometimes it can actually just mean they’ve got a small jaw and their teeth actually need looking at, because mouth health is so imperative to a person’s general health.
If the jaw is too small, that can mean there are actual issues, hereditary issues maybe with some absorption of vitamins as well. So actually I mean it’s quite important to look at that and to look at the teeth as well, just to see what’s going on with the teeth.
Damian Brown: There was a lot of the jaw stuff – are you sort of – have you read much of Weston A. Price’s work?
Naomi Judge: Yeah, I have. Very interesting. Yes, I have.
Damian Brown: Similar sort of things with the vitamin A and the D and the K that he sort of talked about in a lot of his work and you were talking about the – like the progression through the family generations, like you were saying. Like eyebrows and the things that you were talking about yourself before.
Naomi Judge: Yeah, exactly. Yeah. I am noticing that there are other people – just people have got too many teeth. They’re doing funny things. I mean why? They shouldn’t be doing this. There’s something going on. It’s something underneath that’s causing the teeth to go wonky and I know there’s a lot of work that has been done on the [0:42:42] [Indiscernible] and they show that the – the people actually can get quite wonky teeth when actually they’re not absorbing certain nutrients as well, the B vitamins, the 6, the 12, the 9.
Damian Brown: Those people keep living off green smoothies. We might evolve to not need teeth.
Naomi Judge: Well, exactly.
Damian Brown: To stop eating.
Naomi Judge: We might get the wrinkles. If we’re using a straw – don’t use straws because you will get the wrinkles.
Damian Brown: The way they’re going, we don’t need to chew anymore.
Naomi Judge: Exactly, exactly.
Damian Brown: OK. Why don’t we move on to a bit of the body? You did talk a bit about stretch marks before and we spoke a little bit about cellulite. I’m grabbing my love handles as we’re talking about this. Yeah, and you’ve said red blotchy chest as well.
Naomi Judge: Yes. It can mean two things. I mean I’ve seen that it can mean two things. Sometimes you see especially women, they have those – sort of lot of open veins on the chest area. When you’re looking at open veins again, you’re looking at well, things [0:43:45] [Indiscernible] so silica, vitamin C, your bioflavonoids, that kind of thing.
But I do also notice that it’s again the absorption, the protein absorption. It all comes back to absorption for me. Get it all absorbing, all those beautiful nutrients and proteins absorbing.
But also I had noticed as well on clients that are gluten-intolerant or maybe even gluten-sensitive. They get kind of patchy on the neck, red patches on the neck. The skin goes red and then they get kind of a – it’s a little bit like chicken flesh on the chest area as well, like bumpy, slightly bumpy.
I’ve seen that a lot when people are sensitive to gluten and they need to have that looked at.
Damian Brown: Interesting. Here we go. What about excessive sweating?
Naomi Judge: Excessive sweating.
Damian Brown: Yes.
Naomi Judge: Oh, it could just mean it’s hot.
Damian Brown: Yeah.
Naomi Judge: A lot of people when they’re nervous and anxious, it’s their nervous system, their sympathetic nervous system kicking in and they’re sweating a lot. But it can also mean low magnesium, so magnesium is really nutritive for the nervous system and a lot of people get depleted in magnesium through certain medications. It might be oral contraceptive pills, drinking too much coffee. That stimulates the nervous system as well as depleting you from magnesium. So a lot of people find they may sweat a lot after that.
Also adrenal fatigue. I notice in a lot of my clients that are very adrenal-fatigued, that they will start to sweat a lot and we’re talking about sweating under the armpits. Sweating in the face can mean a different thing.
Damian Brown: Yeah.
Naomi Judge: You do have – you could be looking at certain hormonal issues when you’re sweating a lot on the face and also decreased sweating. Interestingly enough, decreased sweating can mean thyroid issues both ways. We’re looking at increased sweating if your thyroid is overactive, decreased the other way, hypothyroid. But also with decreased sweating also it’s good to get that hair mineral analysis test, because possibly we’re looking at heavy metal toxicity, maybe mercury.
I know some people that don’t sweat at all. So that really needs to be looked at and addressed. Sometimes just body brushing can actually help with the way you sweat as well, because that opens up the pore and the rest of the pores and the rest of the body.
Damian Brown: And things like saunas.
Naomi Judge: Saunas are fantastic. Saunas are great. Yeah.
Damian Brown: With the excessive sweating too, like I know with me the one thing I would love to change is my deodorant. So like the Rexona spray-on that I just know is not amazing for my armpits in the long term. But I cannot find anything that’s as effective.
Naomi Judge: It’s really, really hard and you have to go through – you know this old naturopath thing? It’s things will get worse before they get better.
Damian Brown: Yeah.
Naomi Judge: It has to do that.
Damian Brown: My client base might get worse though before it gets better if I’m not wearing the – yeah, especially if we’re up so close doing these observations.
Naomi Judge: It’s really hard. What I tell my clients because using something natural is really good, using a good – nothing [0:47:07] [Indiscernible] definitely. If you need to use chemicals, definitely don’t use aluminium.
Try and find a deodorant maybe with a little bit of zinc here and maybe with some magnesium because they’re really good and then some good antimicrobials, like grapefruit seed extract, those kinds of things in there. I always tell my clients not to – to always wear natural fibres because sometimes it’s the fibres on the clothes. Then again we’ve got hormones. So especially for women, I mean women at certain times of the month, they actually sweat a little bit more and the sweat actually may be a little bit more discoloured. It may be kind of like a white-looking or it may be a little bit more scenty than normal.
So it is one of those things that people are paranoid about. But like I said, it does get worse before it gets better.
Damian Brown: Yeah. Let’s talk a little bit about mercury toxicity and like you’ve said there just from the notes that you sent through to me about decreased sweating and mercury toxicity and back to the teeth and the mouth and things. What are your thoughts on mercury amalgams?
Naomi Judge: Well, you do read a lot about it because you have people that – experts in the fields with this and you have two schools of thought. You’ve got people saying no, it’s fine with the amalgam fillings, the old mercury fillings and other people saying no, it’s an issue.
You know, I just go back to studies that I’ve looked at, interviews that I’ve read, and I really think that with everything else that’s going on in our environment, with PBAs, even other toxicities like beryllium. I’ve even found recently that beryllium is a little bit of a problem. I do quite a few hair mineral analysis tests.
So these fillings are just adding to a little bit of the toxic load. I do think if people have them, it’s really important that you go to a good dentist. You go to a good holistic dentist. I know we’ve got a couple here in Sydney and there are some dotted around Australia, and just get them reviewed. Just see what the dentist says and get them reviewed by a holistic – by a really good dentist that understands the importance of dental hygiene, the importance of these fillings and that they can cause toxicity if they’re excreting gas.
Damian Brown: Yeah, because the main reason I say that is that I’m off to the dentist next week. But when I was a kid, the school dental van came around and they wacked a whole heap of mercury in our mouth. Let’s just plug your mouth full of mercury and what I’m finding now with the ones at the back is the teeth are starting to crack and break off and I’m just left with this bit of mercury chunk. So I’ve got two teeth that have recently just got hairline cracks through them because of the fillings.
So I’m off to get them repaired. So, yeah, it’s interesting. Even if they don’t have – because I’ve read a lot about the autoimmune issues that they suggest and like you’re talking about, that mercury load and being able to detoxify. But even just the structural part of your tooth over that time, so we’re talking say 25, 28 years down the track. My teeth are cracking and breaking down because of these fillings.
Naomi Judge: Yeah. I mean it’s kind of sad. It’s kind of sad what they did to our mouths when we were younger. I mean our kind of generation, we’re now in the age where what happened to us when we were that age, six, seven, eight, nine, ten, it’s kind of coming back to bite us now and then we still got a number of good years ahead of us. What do we do? Because we don’t want root canal. Root canal is not really an option.
I know with myself I had a – luckily I didn’t have any mercury fillings but I did have a few porcelain type fillings and I’ve had to go to four dentists. I went to three and they said the only thing for me at the back was to get a root canal.
Damian Brown: Yeah.
Naomi Judge: I was determined. I’ve read the Weston A. Price. I’ve read all of this stuff. I’ve read books on how to re-mineralize your teeth, which I really do think is an option. So I decided to start doing the oil pulling and then I went to a holistic dentist and they managed to save the tooth. They worked really hard for me to save my tooth so I don’t need to have that root canal, because the last thing I want really is to add more burden to the body.
Damian Brown: Yeah. No, absolutely. What have we got left? Is there anything else exciting that we can all, this afternoon, after we’ve listened to this podcast, start to observe ourselves?
Naomi Judge: Yeah. I mean I think …
Damian Brown: Premature aging?
Naomi Judge: The premature aging, I love this. Fantastic stuff because it is – it’s one of the things I look at. We’re looking at science in people definitely below 35, below 40 and these are things that shouldn’t be happening. One of them actually is the cellulite. I always ask my guys as well, my own clients what their cellulite is like. I always ask to look at it, because someone might say bad and in their eyes, you can’t see it.
So we will clear this up for everyone. Cellulite, if you can – if you stand up and you have a look at yourself in the mirror or you get someone to have a look at you, look at your thighs, look at your buttocks, if you can’t see the cellulite, then that’s OK. If you squeeze the skin and you’re sitting down, that’s when you’re meant to see it. So that’s all good.
But if you’re standing up and the cellulite is really defined or getting worse quickly. Some people say it gets worse within three months. But if you can see it when you’re standing up, that’s when there’s an issue. That’s when there’s something underlying that’s causing it. It shouldn’t look like that.
So in a lot of cases, we’re looking at oestrogen balance, too high oestrone to estradiol. We’re looking at liver conversion, conversion of the hormones and we’re looking at maybe low progesterone. So that’s one of the things I say and especially – I’ve got male clients as well that do have a bit of cellulite on their arms and as soon as my male clients get that cellulite, we’re really looking at that liver function. What’s happening there? Why have they got that high oestrone?
So we will get a test for that but that’s one of the biggest things. So cellulite, if you’re standing up and you can see it, that’s when you need to address it. You can do all kinds of things like body brushing and using creams. But really we’re looking at an underlying cause as well.
Damian Brown: Interesting. What about grey hair? I noticed I’ve got a few more gray hairs now than I used to. Does that just mean I’ve got more wisdom or …
Naomi Judge: Look, this is something that I’m really interested in because I myself have found a few grey hairs and I shouldn’t have grey hairs and I tell you why, because both my parents didn’t get grey hairs until they were in their 60s. My mum is now almost 80 and she has only got a few grey hairs and my dad is in his mid-80s and he’s starting to get that sort of that salt and pepper look.
So I was looking at myself and I was thinking, “Why have I got grey hairs? Why have they started sprouting up? They shouldn’t be. It’s not hereditary. There’s no genetic involvement there.”
So really we’re looking at what has been going on and I know for myself – I don’t know about you Damian but running your own business, it can be stressful. You run from task to task. I mean you’ve got family as well that you’re kind of taking care of as well. So things can be stressful.
What you might notice and what everyone might notice is during those stressful times, those grey hairs will start to pop up, but then hopefully they go, which I’m hoping for.
So that’s why I’ve gone into zen, my morning zen. I’m not doing it for anything else but aesthetics.
Damian Brown: Yeah.
Naomi Judge: I’m just doing meditation and honestly my mantra is, “Go grey hair, go grey hair.”
Damian Brown: Like I said, I can’t do the meditation in the morning. I was listening to Eckhart Tolle talk about what is meditation and he was sort of saying that a lot of parents – well, their kids will be yelling at them and the parents will go, “Can’t you see I’m trying to meditate?” He sort of says you sort of lose the whole purpose of what meditation is.
Naomi Judge: You need to have family meditation time.
Damian Brown: Yes. One of my son once asked me if we could meditate and we went up to one of other rooms and so we started. He goes, “Oh, this is what meditation is.” He goes, “No, no.” So he must have thought it was something else.
Naomi Judge: But for you, simply I saw that you took the kids out. You were going biking during the day. That’s being outside. That’s meditation, being out in nature. That’s all part of it. That’s fantastic.
Damian Brown: Yeah.
Naomi Judge: That would bring that cortisol level down.
Damian Brown: Absolutely. Anything else that you want to share with us?
Naomi Judge: I think that’s a lot of it. I think it’s a lot of it. It’s really just encouraging people to look at the signs, encouraging people to just take time out to look and also just take time out. Just be proud of how you look, proud of things. I mean not to hide things, not to start covering things up, to really – as long as you’re happy inside, as long as you’re healthy inside, that’s the most important thing.
Damian Brown: We should have some battle scars along the way so we can tell the story.
Naomi Judge: Exactly, exactly.
Damian Brown: Well, I think that brings us to the end of a great show. That was fantastic.
Now if people want to connect and get in touch with you, how can they go about doing that?
Naomi Judge: Well, the best thing to do is just go to my website. It’s www.NaomiJudge.com and they can have a look at all the information on there. I’m also on Facebook which is just Naomi Judge. I have daily posts on there, just hints of information, what to look out for, all that kind of thing.
So yeah, go on to my website at www.NaomiJudge.com and have a look and get in touch. You can give me a call or you can send me an email.
Damian Brown: Excellent. So that brings us to the end of another fantastic show. Thank you very much Naomi for sharing your insights today. We appreciate it.
Naomi Judge: Oh, thank you Damian. Thanks so much for having me on the Intuitive Health Channel.
Damian Brown: I know this is going to be helpful for a lot of people and also a big thank you to the listeners for tuning into the show. So if you haven’t done so yet, please subscribe with iTunes and like the show on Facebook. Until next time, have a fantastic day.
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